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John Susek

Oh god, the PC vs Apple debate, really? It's 2011, get over it.


Well, you can't complain since I never mentioned PCs in this post. This is more of a Gruber vs Gruber thing, like what Jon Stewart did several years ago here. I think you might get less people arguing over PCs and Macs if you didn't bring up the "PC vs Apple" debate in unrelated posts.


The Mac Defender issue isn't a security problem with MacOS X. It's a security problem with humanity. To become infected with the Mac defender malware, you need to download the program from the Internet, run the installer, dismiss the warning that programs downloaded from the Internet could be unsafe, and type in your administrative password. Blaming Apple for this is like blaming Apple if your laptop gets stolen because you left it sitting on your front seat with the door unlocked.

Dan Emerson

I read this article as the note to do so was injected over Gruber's linked article where three or so years ago it was suggested we come back in a year or two to see where Apple stands in the baseline consumer and enterprise markets.

Regarding this article: One could suggest 20 days may be too long and that the Genius directive to 'neither confirm nor deny' the MacDefender issue may be too long a time period / too marketing and appearance related as opposed to user-support-centric. I myself feel that having a proper answer is better than an incorrect answer even if it takes slightly longer. Regardless, your article cites a previous post by Gruber where he explicitly agrees that the policy regarding communication of malicious software issues of 'too little ', 'too late' is unacceptable and reflects poorly on Apple / Mac. In that case, 'too little' was a paltry 'fixes handler issue' in release notes and 'too late' was ~4 months after the first notification of the potential vulnerability. In the current event, we have a full and detailed description of the issue along with its resolution posted to apple.com along with an assurance that a software resolution will be released within days all occurring less than three weeks from the 'outbreak'.

I fail to see the 'not improved much' that appears to be your punchline suggesting hypocritical and contradictory posts on daringfireball.net and (not being a Mac user and therefore not being affected at all) feel that this should be seen as a great success in improved handling of user-critical issues by Apple. I would guess that Mr. Gruber's undertones, if he were to self reference the same previous post, would suggest the same.

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